Tonight's planning committee was a bit of a marathon - four hours of debating the local development plan. And we're still not finished. The final decision lies with the executive board and I sense that will also be a long-drawn out affair.
The packed gallery waited patiently to hear about the travellers' camp sites at Chirk and Brymbo. They had to wait three hours for a decision.
Before that, the thorny issue of affordable housing was raised by Plaid councillors.
The first amendment from us was a simple cap on house building above the planned limit - this was a "belt and braces" approach to limit the kind of over-development we've seen in recent years.
This shouldn't have been contentious and officers acknowledged that but it was voted down 14-6.
Our second amendment - to raise the affordable housing threshold from 30% to 50% on housing developments - was opposed by officers. The plan claims it will deliver 2200 affordable homes over 15 years, but it's already fallen behind that target and I think it's based on an over-optimistic set of assumptions.
Claiming 640 homes through a village exemption scheme just doesn't add up - not one has been built under the same scheme in the current plan.
The 30% target was put forward after a consultant's report said 50% affordability was not viable for developers. Funny that it is viable in a number of authorities, including nearby Conwy. The officers couldn't explain why that example had not been studied more fully. After a lengthy debate, the 50% amendment was lost - by just 9-10.
Labour was split 2-2 as were the Lib Dems, and I will await the final decision of the exec board with interest. I just hope those voting against a radical but achievable target never complain about a lack of affordable homes in their wards.
Housing plans for the old Groves site were the next challenge. Local councillor Carole O'Toole called for a more imaginative use of this strategic site and for a mixed scheme that satisfied the existing covenant on education and training, work and some housing as well as protecting the green spaces.
I proposed that the plan include that and, for a change, backed a winner. If we're serious about creating a capital for North Wales here, these key sites have to be used more creatively.
Next up was the travellers' sites - but that's for another post.