Tuesday, 8 February 2011

How No can you go?


It wasn't quite the Dirty Dozen. But 11 rather sheepish Wrecsam councillors tramped into the Memorial Hall to launch the local "No" campaign at an open meeting at 1pm today.
Except it wasn't open. No, that was a mistake by the Leader. It was private.
The definition of private, it seems, is anyone who may not support their views. So a prominent local lawyer found himself excluded along with other councillors and members of the public. A strangely defensive way to launch a "no" campaign, no?
Cllr Phil Wynn, who is spearheading this elite campaign force, has claimed that 20 councillors are supporting his campaign. The others must be even more camera shy and less confident of their views than the ones who attended. Behind closed doors, the meeting descended into more paranoid rantings about Plaid's agenda (OK, OK, we admit it - the dragon statue is just the first step to complete world domination).
For the record, the councillors attending comprised of three Tories, three Labour, two Liberal Democrats and three independents. At least two of these voted "yes" in a recent full council debate on the matter, so perhaps they can explain their change of heart to their voters.

UPDATE: Today's Daily Post notes that a fourth Labour councillor has backed the No campaign. Cllr Paul Blackwell (Plas Madoc) at least had the decency to vote consistently in the full council debate on the matter in December, unlike two of his colleagues.

Pictured, from left, are Cllrs Hugh Jones, Paul Rogers, Bob Dutton, Mike Williams*, Phil Wynn, Malcolm Williams and Ted George.
Cllr Williams requested that we did not show his image.

21 comments:

Plaid Queensway said...

Never attend a campaign launch like this. Refusing to let people in after issuing an open invitation? Can't take any of them seriously after this.

Anonymous said...

What kind of Welsh people, or people representing Welsh constituencies, want to retain a system which is pretty well unworkable?

How much do you have to dislike Wales or any political manifestations of Welshness beyond the kitch, to actively campaign for a political system which takes 3 years just to get a basic piece of legislation through?

Labour councillors? The biggest complaints I've had against voting Yes is by people complaining about Assembly policies i.e. Labour policies. The biggest vote loser here is Labour voters unhappy with what Labour have done in power. Eh? We could lose the referendum because of Labour's mismanagement of the Assembly?

I hope Labour AMs will get their people out, cause at the moment it's their policies which are in danger of losing the referendum for us!

Weird. Very weird.

Anonymous said...

The whole tone of the No campaign is hysterical and hyperbolic.
They're desperately trying to make this a referendum about independence when it's a referendum about making the Assembly work better and more effectively.
Anyone voting "No" is voting to continue with a bureaucratic and ineffective system of law making that does not see Westminster scrutinise. Westminster either rubber stamps or delays - it has yet to improve any legislation.
The nature of the "No" campaign is to fling as much dirt as possible and consequently seems to have attracted a ragbag of fairly unattractive characters (not just the councillors, I hear our old friend John "the BNP is extreme left wing" Broughton was there too).
Nobody's listening to the Wynners - or should that be Losers?

Bryn Offa boy said...

Bin Phil Wynn!!!! He's a waste of space as a councillor

Nid oes bradwr yn y ty hwn said...

The invisible man is Labour's Deputy Leader Michael Williams aka Scratch (According to his old school friends from the Rhos)
To see his official image click on this
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/councillors_new/gwersyllt_north.htm

Anonymous said...

The Leader is quoting Phil Wynn as saying there are 20 councillors. Who are the other 9?

The two other tories, Paul Blackwell (Labour), Alun Jenkins (Lib Dem) - any others in the frame?

Anonymous said...

Can't believe a word Phil Wynn says, he's lost the plot.

Anonymous said...

There were more than 11 councillors there. More No supporters turned up once the Plaid activists had moved away from the entrance.

Some such as Councillor Wynn described their actions as intimidation.

It comes to something when such tactics are deployed against people for expressing a view.

Anonymous said...

Clearly you never saw a senior Councillor poking a member of the public then.
Phil Wynn couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
It really does come to something when people are refused access to a public meeting because they can't answer the questions that will be asked. Going by this shambles a No vote will mean less democracy.

Anonymous said...

This has nothing to do with the referendum but it has all to do with Phil Wynn wanting to take over from Aled Roberts as Leader of the Council and the Labour Group have sensed an opening and an opportunity to destroy the coalition. Don't suppose the Independents or the Tories will be too impressed when they finally realise what's happening. The Tories in particular will realise they have been used.

Anonymous said...

Phil Wynn for King? Dream on...

Anonymous said...

You shouldn't assume that everybody is as power hungry as most of the professional politicians round here. And responding to legitimate questions about the processes we'll be voting on with personal attacks and colourful language is no way to win over those of us who may still be undecided.
And as for a 'senior councillor' poking 'a member of the public', this so-called member of the public was one of the Plaid activists, who'd been chasing the people trying to attend the meeting round with a camera and/or tape recorder. Unpleasant tactics I think. Don't see why you have to include a photo here - what are you doing? Setting targets?!

Johnstown said...

Plaid have criticised the BNP for taking photos of the public who share a different view. Invading peoples right to free movement, free speech and privacy.

Their behaviour smacks as thuggery.

These Plaid Councillors are a disgrace.

Plaid Whitegate said...

Johnstown - go and sit in a quiet room. It might help with the blood pressure.

Anonymous said...

If the No Councillors are that obsessed with their privacy why do they pose for a photograph in the Leader. If Duttons Dirty Dozen gain power it will mean less freedoms.

Anonymous said...

So it's ok for senior councillors to go around poking people as long as they're Plaid supporters then? As for your privacy, aren't you all paid public representatives and weren't you all waiting to talk to newspaper reporters and TV crews at a campaign launch!? I think you need to re think your argument a bit here.

Anonymous said...

it's the no campaigners that were concerned about their privacy not Plaid Cymru.

Anonymous said...

Well possibly this no group should have thought about that before attending a campaign launch as public figures. It would not appear as though they've thought through much at all looking at the content on here. It's beyond me that people vote for these numpties in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Phil Wynn looking for revenge after being humiliated. Now joined the anti-Welsh language Labour dinosaurs of Gwersyllt in his jihad against Plaid. Is he going to join them or just oppose the new school?

Jac O'Rose said...

Can I please offer that Jihad not be misused here.The true meaning of Jihad is 'an inner struggle of oneself for personal betterment.'
(Benazir Bhutto)It perhaps assumes therefore one has 'a soul' to facilitate the betterment.Applying this to Wynn requires a slightly different spelling?

Jac O'Rose said...

There again, - we've missed a trick here perhaps? Being a Lib-Dem
what's the odds he's saying 'No' in public. A pledge even, as all good Lib-Dems do, - but will actually vote 'Ie' on the day?