Friday, 28 October 2011

Former Labour councillor backs Plaid candidate in Ruabon


A former Labour councillor is the latest to back Pol Wong's campaign to become the new Plaid Cymru councillor for Ruabon.

Cyril Williams, who represented the village for 27 years as a Labour and then independent councillor, said:

"I have known Pol for many years and am fully supporting his campaign. He will make a great contribution for Ruabon as our councillor."

Mr Williams, who lives in the same street as Pol's martial arts school, is the latest community figure to back the by-election candidate, who was chosen by Plaid Cymru after the sudden death of their popular councillor Barrie Price.

Cllr Price's wife, Elaine, also urged voters to come out to vote for Pol. In a statement of support she told voters in Ruabon:

"I would urge you to give your support to the Plaid Cymru candidate to carry on the good work Barrie had started and intended to continue."

Pol Wong, who has run martial arts classes in his village gym for the past 15 years, said:

"Elaine is a very well-respected person in her own right in the village and worked tirelessly alongside Barrie for the benefit of the community. I'm very humbled to have her backing.

"The same can be said for Cyril, who has been a good neighbour of mine for many years and is also a hugely respected figure in the village.

"We've had a great response on the doorstep so far and intend to step up the campaign in the coming week. We will knock on every door in the village so that people can tell me of their concerns and problems."

* Get involved in Plaid Cymru's election campaign in Rhiwabon: contact 07747 792 441 or e-mail plaidwrecsam @ gmail.com



34 comments:

Russell G Morris said...

Totally Agree , Pol will be a fantastic councillor for Ruabon . I hope the whole of Ruabon show this in the forth coming by-Election . Good luck Pol
Russell G Morris
Former Coedpoeth Resident now in South Wales

Anonymous said...

I have just read the campaign leaflet and would like someone to clarify Pol's involvement on the Hafod Quarry Campaign. I am a resident of Ruabon and would find it unfortunate if the campaign leaflet was displaying inaccurate information. Also is the picture of Pol and Barrie an actual photograph or has Pol been super imposed? It would also be refreshing if you could have gone down the route of informing the public on what Pol would bring to the role rather than trying to gain the sympathy vote off the sad and untimely death of Barrie Price. Disappointed and saddened that Plaid Cymru have gone down this route. I voted for Plaid at the last election on the persons merits and the fact that he was local. Pol is not a resident and looking at the leaflet it looks like he has no experience. I will be looking at the other candidate this time as will many of my neighbours.

Plaid Whitegate said...

I am rather saddened that someone should accuse Plaid of faking pictures. If you weren't an anonymous troll, I'd send you the original, which was taken in Llangollen when Barrie was present at a meeting with an Assembly Government Minister.
The newsletter you refer to is an introductory leaflet and I think it entirely appropriate to focus on the enormous loss we and Ruabon have suffered. Barrie's untimely death is the reason why we're having the by-election.
There will be further electoral communications emphasising the work Pol has done and the plans for improving Ruabon.

Plaid Queensway said...

Re - Anon - Looks like the Labour party are a bit narked having returned from their canvassing session in Ruabon today! How pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Plaid Queensway as stated I actually voted for Barrie so your comments about Labour are quite a way off the mark. I don't affiliate myself with any of the political parties as they pretty much merge into 1. I voted for Barrie because he was a local man who I had met and who I thought would be a good councillor for Ruabon. He did some good things for Ruabon and I am extremely saddned that he is not still my councillor. Your response reinforces my decision to vote for one of the other candidates who I believe all live within the community they want to serve.

Anonymous said...

Plaid Whitegate I did not accuse anyone of faking a picture in fact I just asked for clarification on a few things. You have answered one of them, could you tell me to what capacity or what contribution he made on the Hafod Liaison Campaign? I am not the only resident who is appalled by this leaflet.

Are there any Plaid resident that live in Ruabon who hand on heart do not think this leaflet is quite sickening?

Pol I and a number of resident can't wait to see you on the door step to question you on what your plans are and what experience you can bring to the role councillor. But don't expect an easy ride especially after this leaflet. Plaid Councillor M Jones has already been in the area and know that he has left with a bee in his ear already.

From a concerned resident of Ruabon

Plaid Whitegate said...

Troll... you did question whether the picture was faked. I have canvassed and leafletted three times in the past week and only had supportive comments about Plaid's campaign. You're a liar and not a Plaid supporter.

Anonymous said...

I assume that two Plaid Councillors have responded to me, and looking at the photo on the blog that shows Plaid Councillor Carrie Harper (Queensway) and Marc Jones (Whitegate)being the respondents. If this is the case I am shocked that you would deem any electorate to being a "troll". I voted for Plaid once and that was for Barrie Price. I think we should leave it at that.

Pol said...

Anon - your posts have been brought to my attention, therefore I thought I would respond.

First of all, I don't understand why you're making quite unfair, inaccurate and offensive accusations about me through this blog when my contact details are in the leaflet. Secondly why are you posting anonymously? You don't seem to have any legitamate concerns as such but seem intent on trying to discredit me by questioning my honesty, integrity and credentials. I don't feel that I need to justify your accusations by responding to them fully as my relationship with Barrie both professionally and personally is well known, my involvment in the Hafod campaign is well known, as is the fact that I was resident in Ruabon until 2004 and still run my school in Ruabon and am still in the village 7 days a week. As for my experience, I am widely known in Ruabon and across Wales as a community campaigner and volunteer, feel free to google it.

I do find it very strange that you describe what was meant as a tribute to a friend and colleague as 'sickening'. In fact I find it quite offensive and disrespectful.

You say that you and other residents can't wait to speak to me (although you remain anonymous!?). Well, you won't have to wait because I will be in Ruabon all day tomorrow (Sunday). If you provide me with your address and the names and addresses of the other 'appalled' residents, I will call round first thing. I will be happy to clear up any misconceptions that you have and perhaps you will be able to address a few concerns of mine regarding your posts.

Diolch yn fawr iawn

Pol Wong (07742 073 949)

Plaid Queensway said...

Anon - I think you'll find that the only person being called a 'troll' is YOU because of your negative and nasty comments that clearly have an agenda. I too have been in Ruabon regularly and have had nothing but postive comments about Pol and the campaign. People in Ruabon know Pol well and appreciate him for his honesty and committment. Also, the many Ruabon residents I've met have more about them than to leave 'anonymous' groundless drivel on a blog.

Aran said...

How funny! Are there really still people who think that anonymous comments look like an honest contribution to democratic debate?

Most anonymous comments on political blogs come from rival political party IP addresses - and ALL of them come from people who aren't prepared to be honest about who they are.

If you're not prepared to be honest about who you are, how can you possibly expect anyone to believe anything else you say?

Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh said...

There must be something in the name Dana, something divisive! Let's hope that Dana Matthews (sorry Davies)from Rhos will do as badly as the other Dana did in Ireland.

The Ghost of Tom Ellis said...

If Anon was genuine wouldn't he/she be more inclined to criticise Labour for calling the election so soon after Barrie's death, its what one might call capitalising on death; typical insensitive cynical behaviour by a party and its workers who have lost all sense of public service and are only there to feather their own and their party's nest.

Pol said...

ANON : You have'nt given me your name and address, or names of the other "appalled" residents yet.
I thought you said that you "couldn't wait" to speak to me...I'm confused!

I have just got in from a long door knocking session in the village and have been asking people if they are any of the ones you refer to in the posts,(which I have shown to a large number of them). Unfortunately not one out of the 63 people I spoke to today have any idea of who you or the "appalled" residents are.Certainly the views posted were not shared by any of the 63.
Every single one was very supportive of my campaign.Also the consensus of opinion was that the posts were personal attacks on me by someone variously described as " some guttersnipe,some s..t house, a backstabbing so and so, a snake in the grass",Labour s...ts up to their usual tricks,and other colourful descriptions...
Maybe you were one of these people I spoke to today,who knows?
Anyway I will continue with my door knocking and my enquiries in order to give you and the other appalled residents the chance to put your concerns to me,being as you seem to have gone shy.I'm sure that I will be able to give you your opportunity within the coming days,or sooner if you can provide me with your contact details.
Pol Wong

Anon #2 said...

Hmm.. posting "anonymous" is no more disingenuous than "Plaid Whitegate" posting a blog quoting Marc Jones in the 3rd person. Besides, whether I post as Anon or "Phil Jones" has no consequence to democratic debate as you have no idea who I am either way.
Finally, presuming that all criticism springs from rival political parties shows a great deal of naivety. I suggest you all develop thicker skins...

Pol said...

ANON : Still waiting for your phonecall and your address...
Pol Wong

Anonymous said...

Had a very nice leaflet from the Conservative Candidate Adam Owen over the weekend. Any sign of the independant yet.

Anonymous said...

Will be interesting to see what happens when Plaid go down to 3 councillors, will they keep their executive board place?

Anonymous said...

Does 'anon' have anything to say about the fact that the labour candidate could not even get an agent from Ruabon? Does this reflect a lack of support from the local labour membership for her candidacy?

Anonymous said...

"questioning my honesty, integrity and credentials"

I've just started studying politics and isn't this what voters are supposed to do in the run up to an election?

I find politics fascinating, especially when you see one candidate/activist feeling aggrieved over comments made etc. and then following it up with similar derisory comments.

I would expect parties to make political gain where they see an opportunity but to make assumptions on a blog that is open to the world and then try and blame it on a rival party is just being too presumptious. This could actually be an ill informed voter, a troll or yes a rival political party.

I hope to enter Politics on completion of my studies but seeing some of the comments on here wondering if it's a good idea.

Aran said...

@theLatestAnonymous - don't 'enter politics' on completion of your studies - get some real life experience first. Many people who have no real experience outside party politics become some of the worst of the mudslingers.

The comments on here are pretty mild compared to how bad it CAN get. Politics is eaten up by party political rubbish - it's almost impossible even for the good people (and every party has some good people) to avoid getting dragged into it.

@theTrollyAnonymous - paper thin arguments and very poor comprehension! Not worth engaging with, unfortunately - it's unfortunate because democracy NEEDS well-argued opposing viewpoints, and suffers when people like you don't have the courage to debate honestly.

Callum Edwards said...

I find this disgusting. You talk about an open democratic debate, but when anyone openly criticises you, you launch a huge attack against them from all sides. This is no more than bullying; everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not to be subjected to what reads like an increasingly threatening tone from the Plaid candidate.

As a resident of Rhiwabon for all my life, I feel I know the village extremely well and contribute all I can to the local community. The reason people voted for Barry Price was because he was an utterly fantastic councillor who loved the village and its people, and he will be sorely missed by the community and people he served so well. The Plaid vote was always personal as Barry was an enthusiastic 'local man' who would no better than to threaten and label his electorate a 'troll'. I hope Plaid learn to field more responsible candidate in the future that are home-grown and care about Rhiwabon.

Callum Edwards (in fear I’m labelled a troll, by a rude Plaid Admin)

Pol said...

Callum,I have got no clue what your'e talking about,but I get the sense that your'e trying to get my back up...More drivel and gibberish ,is it election time by any chance?
Take it you wont be voting for me then. Thats fine.

Plaid Whitegate said...

Callum, glad you've found us. I would take issue with you that the Plaid vote was just a personal vote for Barrie. The 220 votes for Pol in the by-election was testimony to that.
And please don't use Barrie, who is still sorely missed by friends and family, as a means to attack Plaid.

Callum Edwards said...

Pol if you have 'no clue' what I'm talking about you should refresh your memory by reading the previous comments on this post; I have no intention of getting your back up. But when I viewed this post I felt it necessary to try and defend 'annon' who is well within their rights to not provide you with their name or details! - I would like you to point out where there is so called 'drivel or gibberish' in my well placed and constructed argument, once again I as a member of the community of Rhiwabon am entitled to my opinion. And for the record NO I will not be voting for you but before you accuse me of being planted by a political party - while in University in Aberystwyth I vote Plaid as the individual candidate is best suited to defending the communities interests in my opinion, whereas in Rhiwabon I will vote for the candidate I believe best will represent my community there and I am afraid this time it’s not you.

Yes I found you 'Plaid whitegate' and there was no attempted to use Barry to attack Plaid simply to display my feelings that a local candidate with a vested in interested is better suited, never would I disgrace Barrie by using him to fulfil political ends - but the fact Plaid cannot see that it was a personal vote and that no matter what colour rosette Barrie was wearing he would have won shows naivety on your behalf, these are local elections and I believe the removal of 'Party politics' from these local issues is a must!

Anonymous said...

Well said Callum! I don't think i've celebrated so much when I heard the results. Wrexham deserve better candidates from Plaid, not the same group who are basically out to feather their own nests. The guys ousted would not be out of place in another notorious party. Maybe that is where they will now head?? Knowing them though it will be the Assembly elections next LOL! Power hungry, self obsessed, DO NOT BE FOOLED!

Plaid Queensway said...

Yet more 'anonymous'venom eh, why not grow some and put your name to your comments!?

Anonymous said...

The problem with us 'anonumous' is that the owner of the blog can see the IP address and anu pattern off posting. So if the owner of the blog attachs an anonumous poster for being a troll it's probaly because he or she IS a troll with a known record. Anon might mean Anon to the outside world but no to the owner.
In this cae the Laboy apparatchick needs to grow some balls and be able to take what s/he dolls out.
From one wimp to another.
Wimp.

Callum Edwards said...

Excuse me 'Plaid Queensway' although no longer the representative of queensway......... I see yet again you attack anonymous comments yet fail to address people with actual concerns with the Plaid election campaign across Wales ??? I know you may find it easier to attack anonymous comments but please attempt to answer some questions from time to time.

Plaid Gwersyllt said...

What questions would you like answered Callum?
You know it's easy to set up your own blog and as a student of politics at Aberystwyth I'm surprised you haven't. Let's go for it, so we can all see what you stand for and what you actually do for your community. Anything else would suggest you are all mouth and no action!

Plaid Queensway said...

Er, what questions were asked Calum? There is nothing in that anonymous post apart from a series of groundless insults, which is exactly why I said grow some and at least have the decency to put your name to them. What exactly is your problem with that?

This whole thread started with 'anonymous' posters hurling personal insults and making unfounded allegations, not wanting answers to any genuine questions from what I can see. Personally I find that a bit pathetic.

Callum Edwards said...

Plaid Gwersyllt - Very good point I will set up my own blog hopefully allow more open debate than this blog, and you will see where my politics lie, which isn't too far from your own no doubt. My work for the community and my involvment in community activities is numerous and I'm well known in the village.
And as for all mouth that is utterly ridiculous on this site I have only contributed to democratic debate but you seem to take it as heavy blows against you ?? - I only wish to make sure all views are represented on what is esentially a biased blog ?

Plaid Gwersyllt said...

Callum - nice to see you will set up you own blog, my comment no mouth and no action was a reference to you failing to set up your own blog. Look forward to reading your blog and challenging your ideas if I disagree with you.please forward link to arfon55@btinternet.com.
Diolch, Arfon.

Callum Edwards said...

Blog is up and running Arfon - have forwarded the link to you. Enjoy