tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post3669118918066807509..comments2024-03-10T22:25:07.539+00:00Comments on Wrecsam.news: Which fields will you concrete over for new homes, Ken?Plaid Whitegatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-22557391172571972522012-02-18T17:35:10.717+00:002012-02-18T17:35:10.717+00:00The Planning Inspector made it clear that he was b...The Planning Inspector made it clear that he was basing his justification for upping the numbers of housing for two main reasons - <br />1. The need to hit population projections arbitrarily imposed by the Welsh Government<br />2. The arguments of housing developers who prefer to build on green fields because they're less expensive to develop than brownfield sites.<br /> <br />Had he said that he was advocating building on greenfield sites because the council had undermined its own position, you might have a point, but he didn't.<br /><br />The opponents of the school did so for many different reasons - some were reasonable, many weren't as we've seen in the numerous discussions on this blog. The lack of opposition to the school development from green field campaigners confirms that this is something of a red herring.Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-65547882133271135662012-02-18T12:57:55.305+00:002012-02-18T12:57:55.305+00:00I completely agree that the development will not h...I completely agree that the development will not help the community. However, whilst you do not accept the parallel (possibly for perfectly valid reasons) can you not see how the Planning Inspectorate have drawn their conclusions?<br /><br />The point remains that if we fail to protect ALL green space (regardless of how that space is 'defined' or whether there's a surplus) then we leave ourselves open to over-development of the remaining green space.<br /><br />That's exactly the point that opponents of the school development were making a year or more ago.<br /><br />WCBC is now reaping what it has sown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-2839051102467149712012-02-17T13:52:21.310+00:002012-02-17T13:52:21.310+00:00Fair point, but I don't accept the parallel fo...Fair point, but I don't accept the parallel for two reasons. Because the school's playing fields will be accessible to the public outside school hours and because there will be marked playing fields it will arguably enhance the playing field provision in the Gwersyllt community, which is one of the very few in Wrecsam that has a surplus according to the definitions used for these matters.<br /> Secondly, this is for a school that will be of benefit to the community and meets the needs of that community. <br /> By contrast, allowing large commuter estates outside settlement boundaries will do nothing to enhance communities and will worsen the pressure on infrastructure (e.g. schools, roads).<br /> In terms of flexibility, Wrecsam's Draft LDP did have flexibility to allow small scale out of settlement development <b>but only for affordable housing</b>, so there was already an element of stretching boundaries for a specific reason. The inspector's decision, if upheld, will make it far more likely that executive housing estates are built in the countryside to maximise developers' profits.Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-2054449996510326612012-02-17T08:58:41.054+00:002012-02-17T08:58:41.054+00:00It's not really about resurrecting the debate,...It's not really about resurrecting the debate, more about drawing parallels and highlighting the perils in allowing development outside of settlement boundaries, which is bound to lead to further development outside of these boundaries.<br /><br />This was foreseen by opponents of the Delamere Avenue development who said "If we allow this development on green space to happen, where does it end?"<br /><br />The argument was poo-poohed by Plaid Councillors at the time.<br /><br />Perhaps they'll accept that it was a valid concern now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-42124151788285741872012-02-17T08:14:22.003+00:002012-02-17T08:14:22.003+00:00This is a story about 12,000 homes not building ne...This is a story about 12,000 homes not building new schools. Attempts to derail this by resurrecting the debate about the new school in Gwersyllt aren't really going to lead us anywhere new.Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-45412947378697458012012-02-17T08:00:15.001+00:002012-02-17T08:00:15.001+00:00That's utter cobblers Arfon. Planning would ha...That's utter cobblers Arfon. Planning would have been granted regardless. Frankly, WCBC would have uprooted ancient woodlands, relocated burial grounds, moved Hope mountain and euthanised the entire population of their grannies old folks home to push this school through. Don't tell me they'd have let a little definition get in the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-19713346899266877722012-02-16T21:05:21.725+00:002012-02-16T21:05:21.725+00:00There is a definition of Public Open Spaces, this ...There is a definition of Public Open Spaces, this did not fit the definition. Had it been a POS it would not have been granted outline planning consent, so it is relevant.Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-23906759591126172042012-02-16T18:52:44.543+00:002012-02-16T18:52:44.543+00:00It's green. It's space. Therefore it's...It's green. It's space. Therefore it's green space. Whether it's classified as greenfield or brownfield is irrelevant to this discussion. It's still a playing field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-34617463877801727872012-02-15T17:13:45.624+00:002012-02-15T17:13:45.624+00:00Wrong again Phil, the site of the Welsh School was...Wrong again Phil, the site of the Welsh School was in fact an old quarry and therefore a brown-field site. Need to do some background!Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-57679715017682135842012-02-15T14:10:48.363+00:002012-02-15T14:10:48.363+00:00You see, when Wrexham council decides that settlem...You see, when Wrexham council decides that settlement boundaries can be "stretched" for one purpose, can councillors really be surprised when the Planning Inspector says "Well, if they can afford to lose <b>this</b> green space, we can take <b> that</b> green space and they can't really argue"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-69127302150481132612012-02-15T14:03:25.446+00:002012-02-15T14:03:25.446+00:00"Plaid Councillor Arfon Jones added:
“Th..."Plaid Councillor Arfon Jones added:<br /><br /> “The extra houses now being demanded by the Planning Inspector will have to be accommodated on open green space. I wonder which fields in Wrecsam Mr Skates would suggest they go on?" <br /><br />And yet Cllr Jones is one of the main proponents of the welsh medium school development in Gwersyllt, similarly to be built on green space. <br /><br />Dual-standards abound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-2335392260245075532012-02-12T08:35:44.402+00:002012-02-12T08:35:44.402+00:00This an example of the Labour Party standing up fo...This an example of the Labour Party standing up for Wales!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-91842122104793214032012-02-09T23:07:22.453+00:002012-02-09T23:07:22.453+00:00A question: Has the LDP process in Wrexham been su...A question: Has the LDP process in Wrexham been subjected to Strategic Environmental Assessment(SEA)?Draighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01816626923689138393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-49298654333627882212012-02-09T20:19:22.658+00:002012-02-09T20:19:22.658+00:00Impartial Planning Inspector surrounded by Develop...Impartial Planning Inspector surrounded by Developers, this is a load of bollocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com