tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post653470038200968299..comments2024-03-10T22:25:07.539+00:00Comments on Wrecsam.news: Small is beautiful: Busting the independence mythsPlaid Whitegatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-30346410143980891182011-09-27T11:48:58.880+01:002011-09-27T11:48:58.880+01:00Can just see the conversation going on....
Oops! ...Can just see the conversation going on....<br /><br />Oops! We talked about an independant Wales again....<br /><br />Yup! Nobody really cares, but a couple of people are asking awkward questions<br /><br />Let's move on and just ignore them, they'll go away...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-87055055032585623442011-09-16T08:45:45.108+01:002011-09-16T08:45:45.108+01:00"If present trends continue and, as noted, th..."If present trends continue and, as noted, they are accelerating, the majority of the people in Wales will simply not consider themselves Welsh."<br /><br />Can anyone advocating independence address this issue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-3077313572080686782011-09-16T02:27:25.563+01:002011-09-16T02:27:25.563+01:00I haven't seen the poll that you mention CHC, ...I haven't seen the poll that you mention CHC, if 11% supporting independence is 11% of all those of voting age in Wales it is higher than the number of votes gained by Plaid in both recent elections. If it is 11% of those <i>who expressed an opinion</i> then I will admit that it is disappointing.<br /><br />If you look at the independence argument from a purely psephological point of view, rather than the <i>rights or wrongs of independence</i>; Plaid has had a problem over the last 30 years!<br /><br />On the one hand not enough people support independence to make it a "vote winner" so it might make sense for Plaid to ditch the idea in order to make the party more electorally appealing (this is what Plaid has done for some time). On the other hand <b>everybody</b> believes that Plaid supports independence, so when Plaid has denied independence it has appeared untruthful and unconvincing; and by refusing to put forward arguments in favour of independence (that we all KNOW it supports) may have stifled both its own growth and support for independence.<br /><br />I am not a member of Plaid, so my opinion is my own rather than the party's, but my opinion is that Plaid might do better by supporting independence and giving honest arguments in favour of independence, rather than denying independence. Such arguments might persuade more people to support independence and even more to see Plaid as an honest party that's worth voting for!Alwyn ap Huwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194724336424525283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-60763690271501976342011-09-15T16:25:15.649+01:002011-09-15T16:25:15.649+01:00I'm also interested to know why Plaid continue...I'm also interested to know why Plaid continues to push for Welsh independence when a poll only 18 months ago said that only 11% of adults in Wales supported independence? Isn't the agenda of elected officials supposed to reflect the agenda of their constituents?<br /><br />BBC article source <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/wales_politics/8541797.stm" rel="nofollow"> here</a>CHCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-12596060160131609572011-09-15T16:12:20.380+01:002011-09-15T16:12:20.380+01:00Take your pick of flats at or below that price her...Take your pick of flats at or below that price <a href="http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/find.html?locationIdentifier=REGION%5E93467&sortByPriceDescending=false&maxPrice=400&displayPropertyType=flats" rel="nofollow">here</a><br /><br />I don't think I've misunderstood the point of the mythbusters at all. The point as I understand it is that Wales can stand on it's own two feet and holds up small countries such as Luxembourg as an example of this. <br /><br />Please tell me if I've somehow misunderstood the "busting" of this particular myth.<br /><br />Instead of me explaining economic theory to you (which would take far more than a comment in a blog post) perhaps you can explain how an independent Wales will stabilise the housing market and ensure the availability of affordable housing?CHCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-23258636736566162642011-09-15T12:05:17.903+01:002011-09-15T12:05:17.903+01:00Not sure you've understood the idea behind the...Not sure you've understood the idea behind the myth busters.<br /><br />And I'd love to know where you can find a flat in Wxm for £375 a month.<br /><br />The fact is that Wales is doing badly as part of a UK state that's dominated by the needs of the City of London financial sector. Independence, as this article shows, is viable and - I'd contend - necessary to improve prosperity.<br /><br />If it's a basic tenet of economics that prices are dictated by what the market can bear, can you please explain the housing market's wild swings and lack of affordability for most people on average wages in a place like Wrecsam?Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-3224982535606376262011-09-15T10:36:48.535+01:002011-09-15T10:36:48.535+01:00Let's take a look at the state of Luxembourg s...Let's take a look at the state of Luxembourg shall we?<br /><br />Workforce: 60% of it's workforce and population comes from across borders with France, Belgium and Germany.<br /><br />Industry: Major industries include steel, chemicals & rubber (as well as foreign owned banks (over 250 banks in an area of less than 1,000 square miles).<br /> <br />Cost of living:<br /><br />Loaf of bread: £2.30<br />Wrexham: £1.00<br /><br />Litre of milk: £1.04<br />Wrexham: £.50<br /><br />12 eggs: £3.13<br />Wrexham: £1.25<br /><br />Gym Membership: £60.00 month<br />Wrexham: £31.00 month<br /><br />Gas/Electric: £1567.00 pa <br />Wrexham: £1044.00 pa<br /><br />Rent (1 bed apt): £816.00 month<br />Wrexham: £375.00 month<br /><br />Property price: £6k per m2<br />Wrexham: £1.4k per m2<br /><br />Doesn't look so attractive now, does it? It's a basic tenet of economics that prices are dictated by what the market will bear. If GDP is higher, prices go up. <br /><br />So, even if an independent Wales were somehow to mimic the economy of Luxembourg and turn us all into fat-cats, we'd still be no better off.CHCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-30644447453595377152011-09-14T19:32:38.526+01:002011-09-14T19:32:38.526+01:00Plaid Alyn & Deeside - the answer is C, do I w...Plaid Alyn & Deeside - the answer is C, do I win a prize? The selection of Cheryl Gillan as Secretary of State in the first place shows the utter contempt that this government has for Wales. A MP deciding things affecting Wales that only has to answer to an English electorate is frankly scandalous. In the run up to the UK General Election she was not even aware who the First Minister was (although, to be fair, Carwyn is a little anonymous).<br /><br />We need to get the message that we can do this ourselves out to the public because the sooner we are free from the shackles of Westminster and its own self interest the better.Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-62322198294164111062011-09-13T09:50:17.855+01:002011-09-13T09:50:17.855+01:00Good article on the Independent Wales website:
ht...Good article on the Independent Wales website:<br /><br />http://independent-wales.blogspot.com/2011/09/too-poor-to-be-independent-same-old.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-32683759966029415262011-09-13T09:21:13.982+01:002011-09-13T09:21:13.982+01:00I think you are overlooking the simple fact of dem...I think you are overlooking the simple fact of demographic change. This year's census will reveal perhaps as much as a third of the population of Wales being born elsewhere, overwhelmingly from England. This process is accelerating and is to be experienced in all parts of Wales.<br />The vast majority of these people have no allegience to Wales or any semblance of a Welsh identity; and why should they? They are English or, at a pinch, British and will have no truck with separation.<br />If present trends continue and, as noted, they are accelerating, the majority of the people in Wales will simply not consider themselves Welsh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-20852781138876073782011-09-13T07:17:04.873+01:002011-09-13T07:17:04.873+01:00This will be a long haul, but I am starting to bel...This will be a long haul, but I am starting to believe that we will see independence in my life time. Alwyn ap Huw puts it so well when he asks "Why should Wales be dependent?" That has to be one of the most powerful and thought-provoking questions heard in a long while.Cneifiwrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08767078276794410524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-11933496142098130732011-09-13T00:22:06.003+01:002011-09-13T00:22:06.003+01:00But the Secretary of State for Wales said we were ...But the Secretary of State for Wales said we were isolationists, does this mean that eurosceptic MP Cheryl Gillan MP is:<br /><br />a)is a bit thick and doesn't know what isolationist means?<br /><br />b) a hypocrite?<br /><br />or<br /><br />c) all of the above?Plaid Alyn and Deesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13845505057197212613noreply@blogger.com