tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post7705513283541565654..comments2024-03-10T22:25:07.539+00:00Comments on Wrecsam.news: Brymbo housing "blackmail" fails to sway plannersPlaid Whitegatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-30446560152008923132011-11-22T16:17:28.638+00:002011-11-22T16:17:28.638+00:00And here we are another year down the line and sti...And here we are another year down the line and still we are no further forward. Clearly the BCC are intent on excluding new residents and the whole planning debacle continues. <br /><br />How long can the debate go on as to what should have happened. We are still in the same situation so something has to change. As a resident the virtual isolation and mass housing estate in the middle of nowhere is not what I want, nor surely is it what the surrounding areas want. <br /><br />Sense has to come in to this at some point rather than the petty, small minded politics evident just by the responses on this blog.<br /><br />The mentality that new residents are incomers is just incredible in this day in age - this is supposed to be a community when the whole topic has becoming nothing more than a platform from individuals - whether that be the developers or the local councilors, to operate on the basis of self gain and point proving.<br /><br />Clearly those involved in the decision making are hell bent of point proving regardless as to whether it is at the determent of everyone else.<br /><br />Just how will the estate evolve with no schools or amenities. 12 months for a planning appeal - it beggars belief and no wonder business and investors who may reinvigorate the area to bring jobs and a future will certainly look elsewhere.<br /><br />Never has the expression'politics' been easier to see as being at the root of this saga.<br /><br />I would also like to remind the BCC that the new residents contribute a significant amount to their funding and exclusion of representation from the BCC is wholly unacceptable. I find the situation a complete disgrace and do wonder just how the outcome of last year's planning meeting had gone if those involved where not so completely detached from the grim reality of living without basic services.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-83242962664779084942011-05-01T23:27:00.963+01:002011-05-01T23:27:00.963+01:00The last comment is quite correct.. you only have ...The last comment is quite correct.. you only have to look at the community council to see how political this community is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-46240881950514043662011-05-01T22:45:10.472+01:002011-05-01T22:45:10.472+01:00You have to ask the question what do the people in...You have to ask the question what do the people in the older part of the village actually want? <br /><br />The steelworks closed over 20 years ago and ever since there have been many who have not been willing to accept the fact the community changed from that day on and slept walked into the current situation.<br /><br />Residents did not support community facilities that closed, refused to engage with new families who came into the village and people didn't get involved with community groups in the village and at the root of it all this was politics<br /><br />The Venture Hall, the tenants and residents association, the youth club, the Enterprise Centre - all failed or failing because of politics.<br /><br />As a former resident of the community I say hats off to the newcomers to the village who are getting involved in the community.disgruntled ex-residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-33406169917134622842011-05-01T21:26:31.692+01:002011-05-01T21:26:31.692+01:00I was born in Brymbo, I worked in the steelworks a...I was born in Brymbo, I worked in the steelworks and have lived through the changes that Brymbo has gone through (not all for the better).Yes,the residents on the new estate have been badly let down by the developers but then again so have existing residents. The promise of jobs to replace the ones we lost never materialized and Tanyfron have managed without services and have done so for years, so the residents on the new site are not on their own when it comes down to broken promises. I believe the blame lies at the feet of the developers and building even more houses is not the answer. You only have to look at the effects it is having on our on our roads (that is not rocket science, more houses more cars) I ask the residents of the new site to think about how all this has also affected us in old Brymbo and Tanyfron, not for 2 years or more but for the last 20 years, as no one else seems to be taking us into account in all this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-12354397364181173802011-03-22T15:51:04.563+00:002011-03-22T15:51:04.563+00:00Just catching up on this.
No idea who the BCA are...Just catching up on this.<br /><br />No idea who the BCA are, but most residents I've spoken to have no faith in Brymbo Developments after the saga of the past decade. They promised over a thousand jobs; what we actually have is a ludicrously high-density development without any infrastructures to support it. That residents actually warned about this outcome before the development started is a sign of just how slow-witted WCBC and BCC were in dealing with this developer.<br /><br />Good on you Plaid: you have plenty of support.John Wilkinson's Ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-51781182396949809662010-12-10T15:11:40.553+00:002010-12-10T15:11:40.553+00:00@Anon - I know it's convenient to kick Plaid f...@Anon - I know it's convenient to kick Plaid for the situation in Brymbo at the moment. But if you consider who *should* be responsible for delivering a proper community with the right infrastructure then I don't think it'd take you long to realise that the developer and council had a duty to get this scheme right from the outset.<br /> We've been councillors since May 2008 - way after the shops, health centre, school and spine road should have been built. People were raising these issues with the council and developers before then.<br /> <br /> The problem with the school on the new site is particularly appalling - that wasn't even up for discussion last Monday and I have no info on when it will be built. Again, why have 500+ houses been built without the necessary infrastructure already being put in place?<br /> The point about affordable housing is a good one - there are hardly any among those 500+ because the developer didn';t want them and the council didn't have the policies in place to impose them. This is changing but those houses will not contribute to alleviating the pressure on affordable housing in the borough.<br /> As someone who's two kids have spent most of their primary education in mobile classrooms due to pressures on their school, I wouldn't wish that on any young couples. But think who is responsible for delivering those key infrastructure elements before pinning the blame on Plaid.Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-70528120407105744172010-12-10T14:53:38.048+00:002010-12-10T14:53:38.048+00:00I was actually a Plaid supporter until just realis...I was actually a Plaid supporter until just realising how low they will stoop by releasing a personal chat quote, is this not trying to deflect from the actual subject? To be honest even if Paul Rogers did say that then he'd have my vote as I wouldn't want to vote for a party which conducts itself in that way. <br /><br />I live on the new build side of Brymbo and am appauled to hear that yet again we have been forgotten. It would be interesting to see how long it takes the Plaid members (and all others that voted agianst the plans) to get to their local GP, school or shop that is open after most of us get home from work. It's also a worry as a young couple (as many on the estatea are) where our children will go to school, will there be an impact on their education as classes are too big? Even if I was to look at using the nursery in the enterprise centre when I have a child I'd have to have the use of a car to be able to work to keep up the repayments on our home. <br /><br />It would also be interesting to know how many of the homes would be affordable homes or housing association as there is an increasingly high rate of homelessness in the borough where people are unable to live close to their families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-49205863961124835522010-12-10T09:49:42.469+00:002010-12-10T09:49:42.469+00:00Once again Plaid are showing that they are the nas...Once again Plaid are showing that they are the nasty party ignoring the views of the majority.Warmistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-27387895260621407162010-12-10T08:53:17.605+00:002010-12-10T08:53:17.605+00:00"you lot have given my campaign a boost in Br..."you lot have given my campaign a boost in Brymbo lol"<br /><br />Well that just says it all doesn't it. Unfortunately it looks as though it's not just BDL taking the people of Brymbo for a ride.Plaid Queenswayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754935582084298585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-40015769621946705912010-12-10T02:44:35.299+00:002010-12-10T02:44:35.299+00:00@InMyOpinion - let's see the evidence. Let'...@InMyOpinion - let's see the evidence. Let's open the books and see whether money has seeped out of this development. Will BDL rise to that challenge?<br /><br />@Paul Rogers - you know we're in favour of public transport and support better bus services throughout the borough.Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-46566242348176280662010-12-09T22:28:28.457+00:002010-12-09T22:28:28.457+00:00BDL made losses for years - why don't Plaid re...BDL made losses for years - why don't Plaid recognise that?InMyOpinionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-21616735596425301192010-12-09T22:00:13.107+00:002010-12-09T22:00:13.107+00:00Now that the new housing development at Brymbo has...Now that the new housing development at Brymbo has been left without community facilities for the foreseeable, will Plaid be supporting our campaign for improved public transport links so that residents can access the services they need?Paul Rogersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-56420407509543132452010-12-09T21:53:37.663+00:002010-12-09T21:53:37.663+00:00to Emma and all at the BCA
Can I advise you to lo...to Emma and all at the BCA<br /><br />Can I advise you to look at BDL's annual accounts for 2006 and 2007. During those two years, the company paid out £17,245,000 in dividends to its shareholders. Now how much of that money do you think is needed to build that spine road?<br /><br />Furthermore, from the 2008 accounts (the latest available) it appears that BDL is owed £300,000 by Bromstead Hill Partnership, a company in which one Colin Cornes is a partner. Perhaps you should ask BDL why they don't claim that money to build a section of the spine road.<br /><br />When I have time I will look at the other companies who have profited from this development without contributing to the community.Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-33471077008858636332010-12-09T21:50:50.959+00:002010-12-09T21:50:50.959+00:00Just had a text from Paul Rogers,
which reads as f...Just had a text from Paul Rogers,<br />which reads as follows, " The campaign I referred to was that for improved services for Brymbo. Please remove comment from your blog."<br />Obviously the truth hurts!!Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-69773586791925410382010-12-09T21:48:21.799+00:002010-12-09T21:48:21.799+00:00This is what Paul Rogers said to me earlier on Fac...This is what Paul Rogers said to me earlier on Facebook chat:<br /><br />"you lot have given my campaign a boost in Brymbo lol"<br /><br />doesn't it speak volumes about what really matters for this ambitious little politician?Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-47827137199794038672010-12-09T21:39:03.285+00:002010-12-09T21:39:03.285+00:00Plaid feeling the pressure are they?Plaid feeling the pressure are they?Brymbomannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-25918905578757918382010-12-09T20:58:58.547+00:002010-12-09T20:58:58.547+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Plaid Gwersyllthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986006252463873835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-40153519468208167662010-12-09T16:00:17.870+00:002010-12-09T16:00:17.870+00:00At the planning meeting regarding the gypsy sites,...At the planning meeting regarding the gypsy sites, I put forward the amendment to take both Chirk and Brymbo out, Cllr Rogers is not on the planning committee. <br /><br />How on earth could Mondays decision be party political? Labour and several others also voted to refuse the housing based on the applciation breaching local planning policies so that's just nonsense.Plaid Queenswayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754935582084298585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-26768516244380799462010-12-09T15:30:11.125+00:002010-12-09T15:30:11.125+00:00Unfortunately we are where we are, Plaid clearly p...Unfortunately we are where we are, Plaid clearly put party politics before people on Monday. Stirring the muck will not help the people of Brymbo.<br /><br />Having attended the gypsy site meeting it was Cllr Rogers and one from Chirk who moved the amendment to take Brymbo out. Plaid were only interesting in restricting housing developments by hitting developers hard in a recession.Peoples Council of Where?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-25833995582338282322010-12-09T12:34:56.947+00:002010-12-09T12:34:56.947+00:00Please read the following story, written in Decemb...Please read the following story, written in December 2008:<br /><br />http://wrecsamplaid.blogspot.com/2008/12/make-developer-pay-for-brymbo-spine.html<br /><br />@Disgruntled - councillors on the planning committee have to make decisions based on the facts presented to them on the night. <br /><br />@ William - I'm afraid that scoring party political points isn't really helping people in Brymbo. <br /><br /><br />@ EmmaB - who made the promise to build the school, supermarket, road etc? Not Plaid. I understand you want someone to blame for this mess but we were knocking on doors in Brymbo two years ago discussing this problem. If you lived in Brymbo two years ago, you would have received a leaflet outlining our suggestions for a solution.<br /> On other important planning matters in Brymbo, e.g. the proposed gipsy site, Plaid councillors have initiated solutions that Cllr Rogers has supported. There's no political intent here.<br /><br />I will shortly have sight of BDL's most recent company accounts. We'll see where the money from the sale of previous housing has gone...Plaid Whitegatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05757898330400853732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-12312780821299092802010-12-09T12:33:36.525+00:002010-12-09T12:33:36.525+00:00Overdeveloped in whos opinion? Is called regenera...Overdeveloped in whos opinion? Is called regeneration and sustainable development. These homes are a benefit to the local economy, residents support local shops and business, they all pay taxes (proping up Wrexham Councils coffers).<br /><br />What would Plaid Queensway suggest as an alternative use for this brownfield site?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-88640968613266370732010-12-09T12:29:41.084+00:002010-12-09T12:29:41.084+00:00Opposing a further 150 houses on a site that's...Opposing a further 150 houses on a site that's already been overdeveloped and an application that is against several key local planning policies, as well as noting 100% local objections as listed in the report. If you're not happy with what was put in the report for Planning Committee members then feel free to take that up with the Chief Planning officer.Plaid Queenswayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754935582084298585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-29383703129555198112010-12-09T12:10:13.048+00:002010-12-09T12:10:13.048+00:00Isn't it interesting how Plaid are desperate t...Isn't it interesting how Plaid are desperate to stop anything happening with this site..<br /><br />Plaid Minister for Economy & Transport<br />Plaid Minister for Regeneration<br />Plaid Minister for Heritage and Culture<br /><br />all in government in the Welsh Assemblyignoring pleas for help and now Plaid Councillors in Wrexham opposing a way forward.Williamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-71251669471080612622010-12-09T12:05:27.101+00:002010-12-09T12:05:27.101+00:00Just read the report online - it clearly states ob...Just read the report online - it clearly states objections were made in 2005 ... also I phoned a community councillor this morning and was told officers are aware of the community council support for the spine road as they regularly attend the Brymbo Steelworks Liaison Committee Meeting.<br /><br />Had a notice been placed to inform residents that the housing development was being considered I am sure they would have had an opportunity to make fresh observations. <br /><br />Brymbo Community Council did support the supermarket application as did the community association. This application was clear that funding from this AND the housing would fund the road.Disgruntled Plaid Supporternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-691671699575405507.post-47703645107482256342010-12-09T11:29:44.442+00:002010-12-09T11:29:44.442+00:00If as you say the community council have changed t...If as you say the community council have changed their minds, then surely Cllr Rogers, having seen the report prior to the planning meeting, should have flagged that up with officers. Have the local residents who objected also 'changed their minds'? Certainly not according to Brymbo residents who have been in touch over the last few days furious over the way BDL has treated the community. The only people who should be ashamed of anything is BDL for taking millions in grants, failing to deliver and then giving out millions in dividends to their shareholders.Plaid Queenswayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754935582084298585noreply@blogger.com